Showing posts with label Dungeons and Dragons. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Dungeons and Dragons. Show all posts

Dec 3, 2023

Encumbrance Effects in the Real World

 I recently bought a weighted vest to enhance my strength-building from walking and basic calisthenics, and wondered what data is out there on the effects of different loads. My vest has spots for 10 six-pound weights, so is adjustable up to 60 lbs in six-pound increments. Too much? Not enough? A quick search led me to this very well-written article containing more information than I had hoped for.

https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/the-soldiers-heavy-load-1

RPG systems often ignore encumbrance because tracking it and calculating movement speeds detracts from fun gameplay for a lot of folks. Some systems (D&D) break encumbrance down into levels along the lines of "unencumbered", "light", "moderate", and "heavy", and describe how each level affects movement. Sometimes there is a label for the amount a character can lift off the ground that prevents any movement.

Heaven forbid a TTRPG track fatigue! I have on-and-off worked on developing my own system that simulates the real world better than other systems, and I have incorporated fatigue and recovery based on effort and fitness. I have to say that I managed to make a fatigue-tracking simulator that no one would enjoy playing. As many complaints as I have about D&D's class and level mechanics, I like the creative compromise between tracking fatigue or ignoring it (fire-and-forget spells/abilities). It is practical and playable to say that some activities (sprinting, max lifting) can be done "once per scene" or "once until a short rest". 

The data I used for movements speeds all assumed being unencumbered, especially at higher speeds and distances. Elite runners wear shoes and clothing carefully designed to cut grams off of weight in order to provide a competitive edge. Competitive runners get lean. This soldier data is a treasure, showing realistic expectations for encumbered movement.

Valuable take-aways from this article: 

  • Characters should consider having an "approach" load and a "combat" load.
  • Encumbrance causes initiative, reaction, awareness, concentration, and other penalties.
  • Caloric intake, fatigue, and recovery time all scale with encumbrance.
  • Encumbered people are easier to hit.
  • There is a large increase in the time it takes to start moving from a standstill to 5m. 
  • 1/3 bodyweight is often used as a benchmark for the high end of a reasonable burden for a soldier.

 

Here are useful images from the article:



Thanks to Lauren Fish and Paul Scharre for their work.
 

Jul 12, 2011

Dungeons and Dragons 3.5: Strength and Lifting

D&D 3.5, the d20 OGL line that spawned a flood of content, actually seems to have the most accurate simulation of human lifting ability.  I have almost finished making graphs for the systems I have, and 3.5 looks best so far.  I dislike Dungeons and Dragons in general, and this came as a surprise to me, but there you have it.  It still pretty consistently overestimates people's lifting abilities, even men's by about 5-70 lbs at each score, but it has an appropriate curve.
To better simulate a real person, figure out your character's strength using the table below, then add 2 to it.  For example, if you are simulating someone who can deadlift 300 pounds in real life, the table would assign the character a Strength score of 13, but a score of 15 is more appropriate based on the proportion of the population with that lifting ability.  Here is the table of encumbrance thresholds for 3.5.  Is this the same for Pathfinder?  I do not have the Pathfinder system, but I am under the impression that it uses the same rules as 3.5.

Jul 10, 2011

Dungeons and Dragons 4th edition: Strength and Lifting

Now that I've finished creating a reasonable distribution of real human lifting ability, I can compare it to the distributions generated by the mechanics of role-playing games.  Let us start with the 4th edition of Dungeons and Dragons.  Here is a table showing how lifting ability is calculated in-game based on the Strength attribute:
A character holding up to a "Normal" weight does not suffer encumbrance penalties. The rules say that characters can not lift more than the "Heavy" amount, though they can still move around while holding such weight. 

If we go back to the roots of D&D, when Strength was determined by rolling 3d6, we could  create proxy values of the proportions of the population with each Strength value (mean = 10.5).  Then we can graph the amount of weight that real persons could lift along with what D&D characters can lift:
The D&D rules provide a linear progression of lifting ability.  D&D 4th edition closely simulates real people's abilities at Strengths of 3 and 14-16, but gives a greater lifting ability than realistic for characters with Strengths of 4-13, and lesser for the highest human Strengths.  I threw the values for real men into the graph to see if D&D was a better simulator of just men, and it does (the sum of the differences between D&D values and real values is smaller).

Of course, D&D 4th edition uses a point-buy system for attributes, so there are no clear proportions of characters with each lifting ability.  Let us see what the percentiles would be of D&D characters at each Strength score if the game were an accurate simulation of real people (the 3d6 line is included just for reference):
 We can see that the average D&D character should have a Strength of 6 or 7 (not 10 or 11) for the game to simulate real people.  Only a quarter of characters would have Strength scores of 11 or higher.

Next up: another game's strength system gets compared to real life.